PaperSak

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  1. Upping my wakeup game

    It kinda depends on your main and who you're fighting. Certain obvious okis from your opponent (ex. Weavile 6 [X]) can be dodged, but often you want to just block and take the grab. I feel like the only reasons you ever shouldn't block are if a) you can tell what the oki is and dodge it, b) your opponent is doing the same thing over and over again on oki that you can counter/dodge/crush, or maaaaaaaybe c) you're going to die no matter what option you take and you suspect that your opponent thinks they've scared you into blocking.
  2. Intro Pokkén Aegislash would not represent his main series counterpart if he couldn't switch between Shield Forme and Blade Forme. Similar to the games, Shield Forme doesn't protect you from everything, and a lot of buttons switch you back to Blade Forme. However, the similarities sort of end there. Shield Forme is actually more of a risky state to be in than Blade Forme, depending on how your opponent reacts. (and I swear it's Forme with an "e" when referring to the stance by its name, but "form" when using a generic noun to talk about it) Basic Notes A.k.a. the cheat sheet When you are in Shield Forme... You have nonstop counter armor as long as you don't push anything. If you're hit with a normal attack, you will parry it and shift to Blade Forme. If you shift to Blade Forme successfully, you will get an attack buff. Unsuccessfully = you're grabbed or counter pierced in Shield Forme. You have a different moveset. You cannot have buffs. You have no high stance, low stance, grab, or (default) counter. But I'm not sure why you would want the last one... You have no jump, shield, or dash. Instead, those buttons will shift you into Blade Forme. You technically can call support, but it defaults you into Blade Forme. You also miss out on the form-switching attack buff. Your burst attack has a different hitbox (is a laser) and different damage. Getting into Shield The fastest way into Shield Forms is 6AR. Arguably the most effective way into Shield Forme is King's Shield, since you can rack up a nice combo if you catch them with the hit afterward. You may want to familiarize yourself with the other options, though, to prevent putting yourself into a pickle and/or to get out of a pickle (such as the ones at the end of this guide). The following moves can be cancelled into shield by pushing R afterward: 6A Field Y s.Y X XX The following moves will always put you in shield, so long as they aren't stuffed: King's shield Counter (Duel) YYY 8Y 2YX j.YX Last note, when I said "you can't have buffs," it's not that it isn't allowed… it's that the game, under normal conditions, makes it impossible. Buffs are gone when you enter Shield Forme, and there is no way to get them while in said form. Supports and hits from others will all take you into Blade Forme. Sure, you can use a support that buffs you… if you don't mind losing them to Shield Forme. It's up to you and how you want to apply pressure. Things to do in Shield Forme As previously mentioned, you have an entirely different moveset. Many moves have a great range for good reason: you are extremely weak to grabs. If your opponent is throwing things from a distance, staying in shield until you're hit isn't a bad plan. Obviously, beware of piercing projectiles, but Shield Forme is quite safe from characters whose ranged moves never pierce. You can avoid quick projectiles entirely by guard cancelling out of shield, making use of the iframes. On the offensive in field, you have bullets and mini lasers to toy with your opponent. You have counter armor on startup, but beware that the armor briefly disappears (try having two swords spam f.y; notice that one of the swords will lose). It's also quite easy for characters to just walk around these lasers. They're okaaay oki options/ knowledge checks, but spamming them once the opponent is free will get you wrecked. s.Y and s.[Y] are also options to stun your opponents who try to run sideways, although the diagonal hitbox is hard for me to explain. s.[Y] shifts Aegislash to the side at the last moment, as a possible option to avoid (and punish) linear projectiles. Once stunned, you can knock them into Duel. b.Y is your anti-air. To win field phase in Shield Forme (without switching to Blade beforehand), you need to land a homing attack (two hits), b.Y, YY, or f.Y. Doing so will start you up in Duel in Blade Forme with an attack buff. In Duel phase, you retain a few Y moves and gain a diagonal ground laser (now 5Y). But if you want to stay in shield, this phase will be a lot less eventful. Unless your opponent is camping camping at a distance (and zoners/intimidated opponents may do that), there's little reason to stay in shield. Although at least you get to use tiny little lasers...? An important reminder about being in Shield Forme is your burst attack becomes a ground laser. SF's attack power is stagnant due to the inability to have a buff, but it does slightly more base damage than Blade Forme's burst. Getting out of Shield Not only do you want to leave Shield Forme not because it's an incredibly vulnerable position to be in, but also because you become a sharp sword! Yes, the true beauty of getting out of Shield Forme is that shiny attack buff that sharpens all your moves. I'm really only going to cover that exit step here, and save all of the Blade Forme descriptions for another guide. Any Y move will keep you in SF (except for 5YY in Duel, but that's technically a Poke Combo). Every other button will get you out of Shield Forme. But what do you use? To crush or tech grabs, any strong (X) move will count as a normal attack. Every other attack will have counter frames. You can still avoid grabs (and other moves) using the iframes from R while switching to Blade Forme. You can also jump. Jumping is a fast cancel to extend certain combos into Blade Forme, but it's an odd thing to do in neutral. A strong exit option (assuming your opponent can't grab you) is 4A (Sacred Sword), coincidentally the second move from Shield Forme 5YY in Duel. If landed, your opponent falls in a hard knockdown. Regardless, you will leave behind a mist which "explodes" the next time you enter Shield Forme. Super handy for making Blade Forme safer and adding pressure in general. 6A (Flash Cannon) and 5A (Shadow Sneak) are good in their own ways, though quite slow. 5A lingers where your opponent was at the time of activation, thus they can run right over it. 6A can be jumped over, depending on the distance and character. Both 6A and charged 5A can pierce counter, whereas 4A does not. As mentioned in the intro, any way you exit Shield Forme will grant you an attack buff/ leave you sharp for Blade Forme *except* calling support. Coincidentally, The Dangers of Shield Forme This is how I often die… don't let these happen to you. There are times where I will use a move that is blatantly unsafe and puts me in Shield Forme (read: any time I use 8Y). This is bad. Well, unless your opponent is mashing attacks; you'll counter them, of course. Grab punishes can be remedied by having mist to protect you. Recall that when a move like 8Y forces you into Shield Forme, it activates mist. Thus they can't grab punish you like they would otherwise. My other biggest kicker in the beginning is accidentally cancelling homing while in Blade Forme. You can certainly stop the homing attack string and shield normally, but if you push it too fast, you will cancel into Shield Forme *in their face*. Do not do this unless you're trying to call something out (Frenzy Plant, Lucario b.y… something that isn't a grab). Be extremely careful about sitting in Shield Forme while your opponent is in burst. The form alone will not save you from any of them. It is possible you can stuff them with an strong or piercing attack, and it is also possible to iframe through some of them using R (in fact, there are videos on this). But! Being! In! Shield! Forme! On! Accident! While! They're in! Burst! Has! Gotten! Me! Killed! More! Often! Than! You might! Think! As people learn to counter this character, bells will probably go off if you enter Shield Forme in any way that is unsafe. Definitely keep track of how close your opponent is, and choose your exit wisely. -- This wound up being less of a pro-strat guide and more of a note-taking session so I would forget this stuff less often. Hopefully it's useful to people passing by. I tried to keep this mostly factual with sprinkles of advice, but don't hesitate to correct me on stuff. ><; As for the burst punishes, I didn't find them and I'm bugging the person who did to post them here >3>
  3. You can find a bunch of combos with the moves written down the Aegislash subforum in the Characters section of this site. However, I think people are still experimenting with his neutral/approach/defensive options before we can make a reliable guide on how to play him overall. I think what we really need is help with confirms, since we have a healthy stack of combos. Aegislash is one of my favorite Pokemon, too. Like... I hecking *love* this guy. I've been playing Weavile sinve maybe month 3 of Wii U and later Darkrai up until now. Aegislash has been quite a frustrating switch from both of them, what with the shield transitions getting me murdered by grabs and bursts. Yet I really want to be an honorable sword knight. I kind of feel your pain. D: The higher up players can probably make better guides than me, but maybe they need some guidance (hehe) from us struggling players on what to write? I started typing up notes on Shield to keep track of wtf kept throwing me into shield, but I was thinking people might benefit more from a guide with generic notes on all forms (factoring in buffs)? Hmm... and I really wish I could help with neutral but I know nothing, not as any of my mains. x_x; But a lot of what's been said is true: a lot of the frustrations involve both the difficulty spike and how Aegislash just happens to be one of the hardest characters to learn. He has one of the strangest playstyles, if not THE most unique playstyle in the game.
  4. I would be grasping at straws to complain about Pokkén; it seemed like it went on schedule and ran smoothly. I guess I'd've personally been going insane if I was in the first pool and had to stay through grand finals. But if I anticipated being that good, I should just get the hotel there to nap or something. x_x Is it fair to mention Puyo here? Pokkén headphones worked out perfecto because of the jack being in the Switches, but the lack of place to plug in headphones on Puyo kinda made it stressful when I miss the audio cue from the opponent's side. Either needed some speakers or audio splitters for headphones, I think... not sure what other single-screen fighting games do. Also, the rumor that games were potentially behind a patch. x_x Would've liked if all the characters were unlocked, too, but you don't need it for Swap. All of that was fixed for top 8, though. There might've been some miscommunication between TOs and people being in two brackets, as somebody else got DQed into losers for being in a mystery game match. It seemed as long as I was in constant contact with the TOs, they never forgot me, haha.
  5. Coaching Discussion!

    I mostly agree with Pentao, didn't even think about how it looks on stream, though. I think if people keep it short, it doesn't add a ton of extra fluff. That's how actual sports roll, isn't it...? They go off into a corner where we can't hear them and discuss something in the middle of a game/set. But it would def help people improve if we shared knowledge often. It comes down to, what are you trying to measure in bracket? Are you testing their knowledge exam-style or are you testing their ability to implement what they've learned? If the former, coaching would be off limits. Period. I understand this perspective because there are people doing "all" the work researching things before the "test" that is the bracket. If the latter, we need some "fair" way to implement coaching so the coachless people aren't screwed in what looks like a 2 v 1. People have to earn them one way or another, I guess. One factor in other sports coaching is either everyone or no one has a coach. And they all probably get to pick their coach, though. As someone who doesn't look anything up, I certainly couldn't rely on coaching to win brackets. People shouldn't feel obligated to help me if I look like a slacker or a lost cause. But I'm a little more motivated when people offer help despite that. Like the Weavile mains have occasionally reached out to me and tried and correct some of my bad habits, but they also don't hand hold me and I gotta accept the mistakes I still make. That all being said, I don't know enough to take brackets, so I'm not sure I can even give an unbiased verdict on coaching. I'm either on the extreme of "please help me" or "please let me drown in pools and let the person who knows what they're doing take the match."
  6. Streaming needs

    A lotta people recommend the Elgato capture card. I def second the wired connections, too. Pokkén is more enjoyable for everybody when you're on a wired connection to with a LAN adapter, and the ethernet cable from my PC keeps my stream from falling apart. I also recommend getting a mic or something. Bonus points for a webcam. Something to make your stream personalized and set apart from other streams.
  7. This, too, but the delivery options saved us a couple times. Hotel didn't appear to have anywhere to eat said food as a group, though, except the cold and windy lobby. Ah, other weird miniscule thing about the speakers for the stage game is the audio was backwards (all of?) Sunday. Only really obvious when they were playing completely different sounds between rounds. Not sure it was just too hard to fix or what, but it wasn't detrimental to the experience.
  8. IT WAS REALLY AWESOME AND RUN PRETTY SMOOTHLY. MY BIG BEEF WAS WITH THE SPEAKER ON SUNDAY. LIKE THE REST OF THE WEEKEND IT WAS A GOOD VOLUME BUT IT WAS GIVING ME A HEADACHE ON DURING TOP 16 EXCEPT FOR THE 5 ISH ROUNDS THEY HAD IT TURNED DOWN AND THAT MIGHT'VE INCLUDED THE EXHIBITION MATCHES. I PUT ON SOME HEADPHONES TO MUFFLE THE SOUND AND I'm fine but yeesh. it was loud. Kinda made me not want to watch it without something to muffle the noise. The whole thing was planned for Pokkén so none of this "oh dear do we only have half the setups" sadness that plagues some other majors, so that's cool. I was a little unclear when the friendly setups were or weren't off limits during bracket, though. I was also scratching my head when I heard "station number whatever" because I don't think any of them were numbered...? It wasn't really hard to figure it out once you had to play in bracket, though. I just wanted moorrreee friendliiiiiieessssss and didn't get enough in. I guess for a lot of it, I was engrossed in other people's matches. >3> The internet dying sucked, but I think it was handled by tournament staff in a practical way. The hotel was otherwise a nice fit, room capacity wise. I guess I could nitpick the slow shuttle to/from the airport (when we waited, to leave more like once an hour or 40 minutes rather than every 20 minutes as advertised), but it beat having no hotel shuttle at all. would come back again, funds and vacation time permitting
  9. Newbie Q&A Thread

    Take my opinion with a grain of salt as I don't play Decidueye, but popular choices among the whole cast include Emolga, Eevee, Frogadier, Jirachi, Togekiss, and Umbreon. Whimsicott is pretty good against characters who rely on projectiles. Obviously, they're all good for different reasons, but I'd recommend looking into those supports first.
  10. I'm one of those anti-single screen people... competitively. I played with my husband and he haaaaaated being on the far side, so I was like "fine, I'll play on it." It wasn't unbearable, but both my mains have useful f.ys and b.ys. My muscle memory wasn't cooperating on some of those. Like, as Weavile, you can angle j.y, the distance of ice traps is wonked up, and my biggest whine is that I was messing up the very basic b.y into Knock Off combo because it was completely backwards. Also, as I'm still learning Darkrai, remembering that Nasty Plot and hands of death are backwards threw me off, especially since Nasty Plot isn't something that's angled and thus "obvious" that it should be backwards. I would argue that seeing charge moves adds more strategy to the game, but it isn't fair since I never utilized them well. *deep breath* That all being said, single screen is wonderful for budding locals. New players probably aren't bothered at all by learning the game from two perspectives as they don't have anything in muscle memory yet. They're just seeing how rad the Pokemon are in this game. And I certainly had fun doing an accidental synchronized hands of death to Nasty Plot vs. my husband in our casual Darkrai ditto. And as far as my gripes (and others') about practicing on the far side... it suddenly dawned on me that I believe you can just go into training mode and set yourself as the second player. :0 So if there were a push for single screen, I would look into that way more. tl;dr the veterans are not ready for single screen to be competitive/ at majors, imo, but I give two thumbs up if it saves locals
  11. I only got to watch a portion of the stream, but it was ehm... poor. Really visually laggy with the sound being ok, player names were missing, not sure scores were updated in stream and the bracket is/was definitely whack. I liked the commentary I heard, at least. If Pokkén got one of the better treatments there, it's almost worrh bringing up what went wrong with the other games. But I know some cogs were missing from the staff machine because of the hurricane. Maybe everything (or at least more things) would've gone smoothly if they were there. Props to the neat players that came out. And also respect to the people who stayed safe. @_@;
  12. Maybe I am just a negative person, but chat really was so strict that I didn't even bother looking at it. Everything I tried to type got deleted for some reason or other. I think someone just said "What the heck is happening" and it got deleted. Maybe some people liked it...? I mean, dont remove it if anybody enjoyed it.It seemed like not being able to say my thoughts in chat made me more upset than the actual upsets in the tournament. The top 16 placement was whack in that I'm disappointed everyone in the west wiped each other out as well as Japan sniping their own team. But I heard it couldn't be helped because it had to do with how LCQ was set up, not to mention how Japan took one spot from the west (or two spots?). We may need an extra body to make sure newbies don't, I don't know, change the settings and cause a delay because the two systems won't connect on stream. Obviously, this was resolved (or they'd still be trying to connect now), but the LAN setup is so goofy that it's an honest mistake and one that veterans overlook. Maybe DX and the Switch will remedy this somehow, but I dunno. THIS BRACKET WAS STACKED LIKE A PANCAKE BUFFET AND REALLY HYPE THOUGH
  13. A question that might affect half my argument one way or another: will 3 v 3 be implemented in arcades, and possibly when? I want to come up with a big explanation, but getting my reasoning all at once fries my brain, so taking a baby step... Ultimately, I'll agree that 3 v 3 can be played competitively, but making it the one true standard might throw a rock into the arcade consistency we so badly wanted in the wait time for the remaining characters. Or, maybe it just makes the console a more unique experience than the arcade. Hhhrrrmmm... this is why I need to think more...
  14. Yyyyeah, we literally got Dark Colosseum 3 times in a row... it was a free bracket so we were like "f this" and mashed our way into duel before the pillar spawned each time. Everyone says that you can camp the pillar, or i imagine some characters can, but I've never seen it in practice... it's just banned. I think a lot of people would be satisfied with online-style random, where neither colosseum is there but you still have variety. I'm all for more dojo.
  15. Operation: Synergy

    Well... stop ignoring the parts where we agree with you just to prolong this argument. This is seriously going nowhere. We just keep repeating ourselves.